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		<title>Comment on Destinations and Journeys by David Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda also noted -  
 
We recently got HD TV and since the best thing, actually the only good thing IMHO, about HD is the nature programming I have been watching a number of programmes on the ocean.  Almost all of them mention that we - that is the human we - have discovered only 5% of the oceanic world.  New discoveries are being made all the time, particularly in the deep sea. 
 
There was some fellow - whose name I can&#039;t remember as my memory is like the ocean, vast and unfathomable even to myself - but I do remember him saying that we go about exploring the deep sea in the wrong way: descending with noisy machinery and bright lights, thinking that disturbing a dark silent world will return results.  He developed a vessel that travels quietly with minimal light and thus discovers a world not seen before, not because it was not there but because it fled from the blinding light. </description>
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<p>We recently got HD TV and since the best thing, actually the only good thing IMHO, about HD is the nature programming I have been watching a number of programmes on the ocean.  Almost all of them mention that we &#8211; that is the human we &#8211; have discovered only 5% of the oceanic world.  New discoveries are being made all the time, particularly in the deep sea. </p>
<p>There was some fellow &#8211; whose name I can&#039;t remember as my memory is like the ocean, vast and unfathomable even to myself &#8211; but I do remember him saying that we go about exploring the deep sea in the wrong way: descending with noisy machinery and bright lights, thinking that disturbing a dark silent world will return results.  He developed a vessel that travels quietly with minimal light and thus discovers a world not seen before, not because it was not there but because it fled from the blinding light.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Destinations and Journeys by David Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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As someone who has always lived near water, indeed one who seeks it out, the metaphor resonated deeply for me. 
 
We humans understand so little about our world and ourselves that whether we want to acknowledge it or not, we are all on a journey and the destination is unknown.  If we can acknowledge this reality, perhaps we could prevent the absolutist blundering and the destruction of things we have not seen because we blind ourselves to the possibility of the unknown. 
 
 Also wanted to say, thank you David, this was a wonderful read. 
 
This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by Linda </description>
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As someone who has always lived near water, indeed one who seeks it out, the metaphor resonated deeply for me. </p>
<p>We humans understand so little about our world and ourselves that whether we want to acknowledge it or not, we are all on a journey and the destination is unknown.  If we can acknowledge this reality, perhaps we could prevent the absolutist blundering and the destruction of things we have not seen because we blind ourselves to the possibility of the unknown. </p>
<p> Also wanted to say, thank you David, this was a wonderful read. </p>
<p>This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by Linda</p>
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		<title>Comment on Destinations and Journeys by David Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 01:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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One thing I like about this metaphor as I meditate on it more is that I haven&#039;t come across many really good metaphors in my reading about process theology and panentheism. Metaphors, that is, that are very accessible and that aren&#039;t couched in pages of intellectual discussion. Yes, that kind of theology has a place, but if you want a theological position to be understood and accepted by a broader audience, intellectual discussions won&#039;t cut it. This one captures much of the essence of panentheism in a very simple and accessible image. And yet, it&#039;s not too simplistic, either. One can delve into it, finding new meanings in it and ways to explain various facets of faith with it. 
 
This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by David </description>
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<p>One thing I like about this metaphor as I meditate on it more is that I haven&#039;t come across many really good metaphors in my reading about process theology and panentheism. Metaphors, that is, that are very accessible and that aren&#039;t couched in pages of intellectual discussion. Yes, that kind of theology has a place, but if you want a theological position to be understood and accepted by a broader audience, intellectual discussions won&#039;t cut it. This one captures much of the essence of panentheism in a very simple and accessible image. And yet, it&#039;s not too simplistic, either. One can delve into it, finding new meanings in it and ways to explain various facets of faith with it. </p>
<p>This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by David</p>
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		<title>Comment on Destinations and Journeys by David Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 01:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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I like the metaphor  of ocean as well. It makes me think of leaving a shore and arriving at another. But people are also leaving the further shore and and arriving at this shore. We meet on the journey or we pass on the journey or we wave on the journey but the journey is always ongoing. We all experience God(in one way or another) on the voyage. 
 
This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by &quot;CrazyHeart&quot; </description>
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I like the metaphor  of ocean as well. It makes me think of leaving a shore and arriving at another. But people are also leaving the further shore and and arriving at this shore. We meet on the journey or we pass on the journey or we wave on the journey but the journey is always ongoing. We all experience God(in one way or another) on the voyage. </p>
<p>This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by &quot;CrazyHeart&quot;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Destinations and Journeys by David Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 01:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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My favourite part of &quot;journeying&quot; is to not have the journey itself set - it&#039;s always interesting to experience changes in plans for one reason or another.  Something on a route may suggest itself as a place to visit, while not being on the original itinerary, and to miss out on or ignore the impulse to travel there may mean missing out on something very special - an experience that takes one out of the ordinary and transports one to something that challenges, or uplifts or inspires or maybe even disappoints. 
 
It&#039;s the same with God - it is good to have a relationship that is &quot;open&quot; to travelling where the spirit or the call leads.  Often we find God off the beaten path and are richer for that experience. 
 
I really like your essay, David, and especially the ocean images, since being on oceans and some form of water - lakes, rivers, islands surrounded by water  - has become an essential part of my life.  Sometimes the seas are calm, sometimes they are in turmoil - like our relationship with God and each other. 
 
 
This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by Arlene </description>
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My favourite part of &quot;journeying&quot; is to not have the journey itself set &#8211; it&#039;s always interesting to experience changes in plans for one reason or another.  Something on a route may suggest itself as a place to visit, while not being on the original itinerary, and to miss out on or ignore the impulse to travel there may mean missing out on something very special &#8211; an experience that takes one out of the ordinary and transports one to something that challenges, or uplifts or inspires or maybe even disappoints. </p>
<p>It&#039;s the same with God &#8211; it is good to have a relationship that is &quot;open&quot; to travelling where the spirit or the call leads.  Often we find God off the beaten path and are richer for that experience. </p>
<p>I really like your essay, David, and especially the ocean images, since being on oceans and some form of water &#8211; lakes, rivers, islands surrounded by water  &#8211; has become an essential part of my life.  Sometimes the seas are calm, sometimes they are in turmoil &#8211; like our relationship with God and each other. </p>
<p>This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by Arlene</p>
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		<title>Comment on Destinations and Journeys by David Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 01:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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Beauty essay, David.  I especially liked: 
 
 &quot;There aren&#8217;t many paths to God. Nor is there just one path to God. There is only learning about the limitless diversity in the ocean of Creation that is still only a partial expression of all that God is.&quot; 
 
Beauty.  If we are all waves in this great ocean of diversity, we are individual in a certain sense but in it together in an &quot;ocean&quot; sense... 
 
This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by Penny </description>
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<p>Beauty essay, David.  I especially liked: </p>
<p> &quot;There aren&rsquo;t many paths to God. Nor is there just one path to God. There is only learning about the limitless diversity in the ocean of Creation that is still only a partial expression of all that God is.&quot; </p>
<p>Beauty.  If we are all waves in this great ocean of diversity, we are individual in a certain sense but in it together in an &quot;ocean&quot; sense&#8230; </p>
<p>This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by Penny</p>
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		<title>Comment on Destinations and Journeys by David Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John. It is, and I did. :)   
I very much liked the way that she explored the difference between &quot;mythos&quot; and &quot;logos&quot;. I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ve seen the distinction expressed quite that way before. Very readable. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John. It is, and I did. <img src='http://seemslikegod.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I very much liked the way that she explored the difference between &quot;mythos&quot; and &quot;logos&quot;. I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ve seen the distinction expressed quite that way before. Very readable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Destinations and Journeys by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I think you would enjoy reading Karen Armstrong&#039;s latest book, perhaps her best yet: &quot;The Case for God,&quot; (A.A. Knopf, 2009). It is a very erudite history of humanity&#039;s journey for that elusive goal of the search for a satisfactory understanding of the Transcendent Reality  we call God. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I think you would enjoy reading Karen Armstrong&#039;s latest book, perhaps her best yet: &quot;The Case for God,&quot; (A.A. Knopf, 2009). It is a very erudite history of humanity&#039;s journey for that elusive goal of the search for a satisfactory understanding of the Transcendent Reality  we call God. </p>
<p>John.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Destinations and Journeys by David Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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That is a very good metaphor. In fact as I was reading your essay it donned on me that there is no destination, only journey. Time never stops so how can we have a destination? Destination implies accomplishment and finality. An End. There is no end of finality to time. And if the universe will continue to big bang and big crunch and big bang and big crunch then there will be no destination. Because time would effectively be infinite and so to would the journey be infinite. Which is totally in line with your metaphor. I also like your metaphor because like the ocean, our journies can be polluted.    
    
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<p>That is a very good metaphor. In fact as I was reading your essay it donned on me that there is no destination, only journey. Time never stops so how can we have a destination? Destination implies accomplishment and finality. An End. There is no end of finality to time. And if the universe will continue to big bang and big crunch and big bang and big crunch then there will be no destination. Because time would effectively be infinite and so to would the journey be infinite. Which is totally in line with your metaphor. I also like your metaphor because like the ocean, our journies can be polluted.    </p>
<p>This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by &quot;Omni&quot;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Destinations and Journeys by David Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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Well, if God does not exist, then neither many paths to God nor one path to God will lead to God. Then no path can possibly lead to the nonexistent God.   
   
But what if God is ineffable or incomprehensible? What if, as in unitheism, everything is God? Then no path can possibly lead to God because we are God.   
   
Getting IT   
   
IT is we; we are IT.   
   
We can&#039;t comprehend IT without experiencing IT,   
   
But we can experience IT without comprehending IT&#8212;   
   
For we are IT!   
   
IT reveals everything;   
   
IT explains nothing.   
   
The interpretations   
   
Of ITs revelations,   
   
Are our creations.   
   
This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by &quot;Arminius&quot;  </description>
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<p>Well, if God does not exist, then neither many paths to God nor one path to God will lead to God. Then no path can possibly lead to the nonexistent God.   </p>
<p>But what if God is ineffable or incomprehensible? What if, as in unitheism, everything is God? Then no path can possibly lead to God because we are God.   </p>
<p>Getting IT   </p>
<p>IT is we; we are IT.   </p>
<p>We can&#039;t comprehend IT without experiencing IT,   </p>
<p>But we can experience IT without comprehending IT&mdash;   </p>
<p>For we are IT!   </p>
<p>IT reveals everything;   </p>
<p>IT explains nothing.   </p>
<p>The interpretations   </p>
<p>Of ITs revelations,   </p>
<p>Are our creations.   </p>
<p>This comment was posted on the United Church of Canada&#039;s Wondercafe in response to this essay by &quot;Arminius&quot;</p>
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